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Thursday, October 06, 2005

Calibrated Pre-emptive Response(CPR) and Anti-Terrorism Bill Interview Transcript -10/6/2005

ON CALIBRATED PRE-EMPTIVE RESPONSE (CPR)

INTERVIEWER: Medyo seryoso itong nangyayari dahil araw-araw may pinapalo. Marami na po ang nasasaktan at nagagalit, ano ba talaga ang policy na ito ng PNP dito sa usapin ng CPR.

GORDON: Unang-una, dapat ang kapulisan should punish the guy na nambatok. Katulad ng nangyari sa La-Salle-FEU game sa UAAP, binatukan si Arwin Santos, yari siya. Dapat ganoon kabilis. Yan ang kagandahan ng media, nakitang masama ang ginawa, hulihin natin—kung ako ang Mayor d'yan ikukulong ko agad iyan. In fact, the PLEBs (Peoples Law Enforcement Boards) can act there. Kapag nakita ka sa ganyang maling gawain sa mga pulis, kulong ka. But wala akong nakikitang ganyan. That makes it wrong.

May rules tayo at kung gusto ninyong magbago 'yung rules dahil sinasabi ninyo na inuupuan ng mayor yung request para sa permit, kung sinasabi ninyo na gusto ninyo sa lahat ng lugar at hindi sa freedom park, then it is for the Supreme Court to interpret the law of the land not us kundi there will be anarchy.

Pangalawa, dapat ang pulis may tungkulin at ang rallyist ay may tungkulin din. Hindi lahat karapatan lang. Kapag lumalakad ka sa kalye hindi ka pwedeng pigilin. Hindi ka naman pwedeng mag-rally sa kalye sapagkat you are disturbing the rights of the others na. But on the other hand, kapag humingi ka ng permit at hindi ka binibigyan matagal ng mayor, dalhin mo kaagad sa korte. That is the way democracy works.

Nasa sidewalk ka. That is not a crime. You have the right to walk on the sidewalk and to walk on the streets but you cannot stop and stop the traffic to the prejudice of everybody. Kung ganoon ng gagawin mo hahanapan ka talaga ng permit. Ngayon, ang kailangan d'yan, ayoko ng maximum tolerance. Ayokong CPR. Ang CPR is life threatening not life saving.

May rules tayo at kung gusto ninyong magbago 'yung rules dahil sinasabi ninyo na inuupuan ng mayor yung request para sa permit, kung sinasabi ninyo na gusto ninyo sa lahat ng lugar at hindi sa freedom park, then it is for the Supreme Court to interpret the law of the land not us kundi there will be anarchy.

I will even question the term CPR in the law itself because para bang pabor pa sa atin na tino-tolerate tayo kapag nag-rarali tayo. Hindi tama iyan. Dapat i-withdraw 'yan. In fact I am going to ask the police, hihingiin ko sa kapulisan na alisin ninyo iyan CPR na sinasabi ninyong 'yan. Wala kayong karapatan magsabi ng ganyan and the mere fact that you are saying that, you are already threatening the rights of the people to express themselves as an association or as an individual.

Alam ninyo dati naman akong demonstrator sa UP. Student council ako sa UP noong First Quarter Storm. Nakikita ko naman ang mga kasama ko na talagang minumura ang pulis pero syempre wag kayong mapipikon. Kaya nga lumabas ang tolerance, pinagpapasensyahan. Tungkulin ninyo iyon pero kapag pinalo ninyo ang demostrador that is going beyond. You are supposed to be the guardian of the law. You cannot break the law to enforce the law. So dapat kaagad tawagin ang pulis na iyon, lagyan agad ng administrative sanction and if necessary fire him if he has to be fired but people must know about it.

INTERVIEWER: Okey bawal yung pumalo pero sana ipagbawal din yung pagsapak, pagsipa at pagsakal.

Gen. SILVERIO ALARCIO: Doon sa aming hanay ay ginagawa na namin ang tamang hakbang upang maiwasan itong mga ganito. Alam po ninyo kanina nag-announce po ang ating Director NCR na bawal na 'yung batuta sa mga CDM kase nakikita niya na ginagamit na pamukpok. So this is a positive response from the police. I think tama po yung sinabi ng ating good senator na both sides ay may responsibilidad. Hindi lang ang pulis ang gagawa ng hakbang upang maiwasan ang mga iyan kundi pati yung kabila.

GORDON: Dapat seguro general maipakita ninyo agad kung ano ang ginawa ninyo sa mga pulis na 'yan . Iyan ang dapat makita. Kung mabilis kayong umaksiyon ay magkakaroon kayo ng credibility dahil sinasabi ninyo na ito ang tamang aksiyon. Hindi pwedeng sabihin na wala ng batuta. No. Hindi naman pwedeng walang proteksiyon ang pulis sapagkat kung minsan binabato din ang pulis pero kapag nagkamali ang pulis, huli ka, out ka strike out ka. Iyan ang dapat.

GEN ALARCIO: Gagawin po natin iyan at ipa-follow up natin ang investigation na mangyayari and we will inform kung ano ang hakbang at ginawang sanction doon sa nagkasala.

INTERVIEWER: Pero sana nga ipagbawal ang pagpalo at pagsipa ang nakita natin kahapon.

GORDON: The commanding officer has the right to discipline him right away and to tell the public that this guy is the one. I saw him on tv, suspendido ka. Nakaposas kaagad.

INTERVIEWER: Senador bibigyan ba ninyo ng timetable si General Silverio Alarcio, Jr hanggang mamamaya o hanggang bukas?

GORDON: Nasa batas iyan. Si General Querol at yung mga direct commander officer can immediately conduct rather than an investigation but punishment, suspension even summary dismissal.

Pero dapat din naman na yung mga leaders ay makipag-usap din sa matataas na pulis para malaman kung ano ang dapat maging rules of engagement.

Cong. ETTA ROSALES: I think dapat bilisan natin sa Senado at sa Kamara ang investigation at dapat umaksiyon ang pulis kaagad. May batas kaming ginagawa tungkol dyan.

INTERVIEWER: Malabo yata yung investigation dahil mayroong EO 464. Paano maiimbetahan itong pulis?

GORDON: Ang kailangan d'yan ay wag na tayong mag-imbestiga. Kapag ang pulis hindi ginawa iyan, walang budget. Actually hindi na kailangan iyan. Ang pulis ang dapat gumalaw. Alam ko na matitino naman ang ibang general d'yan. Pwede naman i-dismiss kaagad iyan o isuspinde pero dapat makita ng tao na hindi ginagawa iyan.

ON ANTI-TERRORISM BILL

INTERVIEWER: Ano po ba ang mangyayari dito sa anti-terrorism bill sa Senado?

GORDON: Galing ako sa tourism. I have already promoted this country for business in Subic and I have promoted this country for tourism. Marami tayong taong walang hanapbuhay na umaasa sa investments at turismo.

I sympathize right now doon sa Bali. Talagang basag ang pinggan nila because of terrorism. There was terrorism in Bali last time at nakita ko ang mga waiter ay umiiyak at ang sabi nila natigil ang kanilang mga anak sa paga-aral. Wala pa d'yan ang mga taong namatay.

One of the things worth considering is the air force bill. Yung sinasabi ko na tinanggal nila ang air force has made us more vulnerable. Pwedeng kumuha ng isang Learjet o mag-rent, bombahin, kargahan ng explosives at ibangga iyan doon sa Malampaya(oil depot). Sabog iyan.

Wala tayong terrorist law. In principle I am in favor of it because iyan ang bagong threat sa buong mundo and we have to have an anti-terrorism bill. And you know ibang usapan iyan. I am in the Red Cross at inihanda ko ang Red Cross.

Mayroon kaming rescue truck ngayon because of this terrorist and massive disasters that are happening para mapasok namin yung nasusunog at natambakan. Kompleto iyan ng bagong kagamitan for search and rescue. Mayroon pang tv scanner na nabili. Talagang nag-invest kami d'yan.

We have to have a law against terrorism. If we do not have a law against terrorism, we are exposing our people to harm. So long as we protect the rights of the accused, so long as we don't allow the State to do illegal things, I think, we can be imaginative enough to craft an anti-terrorism bill and I think we will do that in the Senate.

Usaping Balita Media Forum
Serye Restaurant, Quezon Memorial Circle, Q.C.

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